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Problem with Wahoo Elemnt losing track of Strava Segment while riding

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Dwayne
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I've been using my Wahoo Elemnt since final fall, and for the most role am very satisifed with it. Nonetheless, lately it seems to have problems with tracking during segments. On a ride a week agone where I tackled a few segments, it would testify the segment progress for a kilometer or two, and so stop. The segments later on on show upwardly fine in Strava, then it seems to exist an issue with the Elemnt thinking I'chiliad off course of the segment while I'm riding. Happened on 3 climbs that day, 8km, iv.5km, and ii.8km. Two lane state road in Deutschland, with trees on one or both sides, but it was dry out and there's no foliage yet. I've noticed that when the copse are wet, GPS speed fluctuates a fair amount, and so I'm thinking information technology's a GPS accuracy issue with the Elemnt in general. I'm wondering whether adding a speed sensor would help the segment tracking. Has anyone else seen this problem?



IvanZg
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by IvanZg

I run mine with speed sensor and this happens oftentimes on mountain roads with tree cover. For me it also depends on traffic. If I get overtaken past busses or trucks on twisty mount roads gps drops the signal terminate live segment tracking stops.


Dwayne
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by Dwayne

I merely grabbed the file off the Elemnt from that twenty-four hour period to run across what the data looks like. No wonder it loses the segment. It's fine when it'due south completely open with no trees around, but if the route goes through a wooded area, forget it. I'k going to endeavor my Sigma Rox 12 next time to see if it'south better. It'southward simply weird, I don't remember it beingness this bad. I simply looked at some rides from last year, and yeh, wasn't much better then. I used my Garmin Forerunner 235 last summer before I had the Elemnt, and that matter tracked way amend, that's just sorry. These are from terminal weekend:

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IvanZg
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by IvanZg

I just went to check how my wahoo tracking is compared to forerruner 245. (it's recorded on the same ride)
Garmin is plotted on Google maps and wahoo on Strava. The route is on one of the islands in Croatia. No trees, clear skies...
This precision is representative for the entire 120km.

Garmin
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Wahoo Element Bolt
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Terminal edited by IvanZg on Fri Mar 27, 2022 12:54 pm, edited 1 time in full.


Dwayne
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by Dwayne

But remembered a friend of mine rode the 1 stretch twice the 24-hour interval subsequently me, and he's using a Wahoo Commodities. Conditions and time of day were almost identical. WTF.

His (he rode upward and down twice):
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Mine:
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Dwayne
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by Dwayne

IvanZg wrote: ↑

Friday Mar 27, 2022 12:42 pm

I just went to check how my wahoo tracking is compared to forerruner 245. (it's recorded on the same ride)
Garmin is plotted on Google maps and wahoo on Strava. The route is on one of the islands in Croatia. No trees, articulate skies...
This precision is representative for the entire 120km.

What are you using, an Elemnt, Commodities, or Roam?



CrankAddictsRich
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I have both the Elemnt and Elemnt Commodities but use the Bolt for about of my rides. I take noticed this phenomenom before, particularly on this segment that I accept washed more 170 times as part of my usual training route. I have noticed that it doesn't drop all of the time and the times that it has dropped out, I have attributed it to two things...

i. It only seems to exercise information technology on long segments... that loop above is 6.7 miles or x.8km. The thing is, information technology doesn't drop out all of the time when I do that segment.... merely information technology seems to be a qualifier for the second thing.

2. It drops out if I'one thousand signicantly off the pace.... well-nigh as if the device sees that I'1000 non going for it and reverts back to normal mode. I'chiliad 2nd on the listing at 18:03, on a 24-hour interval when I was prepping for an Eddy TT race, testing my position and fettle, only virtually days when I do that loop, I'm at 75-80% and practice it in a time of 22-23 minutes. It seemslike when the fourth dimension gets to ane:30 off my PR or KOM pace, information technology times out.... You tin can run into how on shorter segments, that might not ever happen.

That segment is very tree covered in spots as it goes through and around a nature preserve, but I've never seemed to discover that the drop corresponded to beingness in an expanse of tree cover.


bilwit
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by bilwit

CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑

Dominicus Mar 29, 2022 3:23 pm

I take both the Elemnt and Elemnt Commodities just use the Bolt for about of my rides. I have noticed this phenomenom earlier, particularly on this segment that I have done more 170 times equally part of my usual training route. I have noticed that information technology doesn't drop all of the time and the times that information technology has dropped out, I have attributed it to two things...

i. It but seems to do it on long segments... that loop to a higher place is half-dozen.vii miles or 10.8km. The thing is, it doesn't drop out all of the time when I do that segment.... simply information technology seems to be a qualifier for the second thing.

ii. It drops out if I'm signicantly off the pace.... almost as if the device sees that I'thousand not going for it and reverts back to normal mode. I'm 2d on the list at 18:03, on a solar day when I was prepping for an Eddy TT race, testing my position and fitness, simply most days when I do that loop, I'thou at 75-80% and practise it in a time of 22-23 minutes. Information technology seemslike when the time gets to 1:30 off my PR or KOM step, it times out.... Y'all can see how on shorter segments, that might non ever happen.

That segment is very tree covered in spots as it goes through and around a nature preserve, but I've never seemed to observe that the drop corresponded to being in an area of tree embrace.

That'southward an interesting observation, ane that is realistically conceivable besides. Information technology tin can relieve battery by having the GPS duty bike frequency depression (thereby reducing the resolution and quality of the segment tracking), so it would make sense to have it dynamically set to have a higher frequency than normal when it knows you're going for a segment. The side effect of having the resolution low, particularly with segments with sharp bends or are near other segments, is that it might call back yous're off course and not count it. It would also exist interesting to encounter if having the segment starred in Strava and having live segments enabled on the Wahoo affects this.


CrankAddictsRich
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bilwit wrote: ↑

Lord's day Mar 29, 2022 7:03 pm

That's an interesting observation, ane that is realistically conceivable also. It tin relieve battery past having the GPS duty cycle frequency low (thereby reducing the resolution and quality of the segment tracking), so it would make sense to have it dynamically set to have a higher frequency than normal when it knows you lot're going for a segment. The side result of having the resolution low, particularly with segments with precipitous bends or are near other segments, is that it might think you're off course and not count it. It would also be interesting to see if having the segment starred in Strava and having live segments enabled on the Wahoo affects this.

I have Strava segments enabled and I did have that segment enabled for along time.. that'due south how I personally, noticed the phenomenom. There were days it would time out and at that place were days it would not. I'm almost certain that the fourth dimension out is based on proximity to target time, only non sure if information technology is dependant on the KOM time or PR time, or maybe changes based on which one you're looking at.


IvanZg
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by IvanZg

PR/KOM on the segment is not the criteria to abolish live segments. I did a PR on a segment that I probably road more than than 150 times (10km in length) and it stopped working half manner into the effort. Did some efforts where I was 50% slower than PR and live segments worked fine. I also had bug where Strava would non recognize segments at all once uploaded. This happens a lot less oft than dropping live segments.


Dwayne
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by Dwayne

I can confirm that PR/KOM time wasn't it, either. The ride I posted screenshot from, I PRed all the climbs by one-three minutes (yay wintertime preparation!). I added "GPS Accurateness" equally a field this past week. On a mountain bike ride on Friday in mostly wooded areas, I typically see 4-v, sometimes iii, and looking at the map information, it looks like it, too, plenty of devations from the actual path. On Sunday I went out for a 100km route ride, with the route going through very few areas with trees. GPS Accuracy was 2-3, map information looks perfect. And then it seems like it'southward very sensitive to copse.


peroni
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by peroni

Just chiming in to say that a similar trouble is seen on at least two Garmin models, the 520 and the 820 that me and a friend employ. Sometimes the segment is lost for no reason. It quickly became very frustrating and the best thing to do was to plough off this feature. GPS recording was prepare to ane second.

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CrankAddictsRich
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Dwayne wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 31, 2022 viii:38 am

I can ostend that PR/KOM time wasn't it, either. The ride I posted screenshot from, I PRed all the climbs by 1-3 minutes (yay winter training!). I added "GPS Accuracy" as a field this past week. On a mountain bike ride on Friday in more often than not wooded areas, I typically run into 4-five, sometimes 3, and looking at the map information, it looks like it, also, plenty of devations from the actual path. On Lord's day I went out for a 100km road ride, with the route going through very few areas with trees. GPS Accuracy was 2-3, map data looks perfect. Then it seems like it's very sensitive to copse.

So, you pr'ed the climbs, but where were yous in relation to the KOM?


CrankAddictsRich
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by CrankAddictsRich

It is this segment, correct?

Schollbrunn Climb

It looks like you're at viii:23 and KOM fourth dimension is 7:09... I'm not positive when it clicks off for me, I haven't paid close plenty attention to be certain. I'yard only aware that it seems to practise information technology onlong segments, on occasions when I'm far off the goal time. I was using PR in the earlier description because in my instance, my PR was besides the KOM at the time, although I've since lost that KOM. I'1000 definitely gonna flag some segments and pay attention. It is also quite possible that there might be a number of weather that all take to be met for it to drop, or maybe several, but any single one will practice it equally well.



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